the debt ceiling that obama plans lump into every month or so for the next four years provides plenty of leverage for the gop to trade for spending cuts, as done in 2011, or continuing the lower rates. are you willing to do that, use the debt ceiling in this as leverage? >> well, what i'm willing to do, is to talk about, and a very serious conversation, which i don't believe we're really having here on the hill right now, and that is we have a spending-driven problem. you can't keep on spending a trillion dollars more than what you bring in every year. and until we look at both sides of this issue, and a balanced approach on this where we're looking at what is driving the debt, and making sure that we're balancing our budget, it's both revenue, and spending. and we've got to talk about both of those and we've got to be serious about, look, these are difficult kmpgss, because you're talking about entitlement reform, which any time you talk about taking something away or changing, people get nervous. but it's got to be done for the benefit of all americans. current americans, as well as